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again it solely is because it doesn't raise tax rates on the rich. when is obama going to rise above that obsession? when will he lose that over rich people and tax rates? i don't know. tonight, i'm is going to try to call his bluff. anyway, also breaking tonight, potential catastrophe if syria uses its chemical weapons. president obama issues a stern warning to syria and i quote the world is watching. and there will be consequences if syria uses these wmds. have we just committed ourselves to another war? and the gun control debate is squarely back in the spotlight tonight after the murder/suicide by nfl player in kansas city, second amendment instead of blaming the sick people who use them. republicans have responded to a fiscal cliff counter offer to president obama. eamon javers joins us now from washington with all the details. good evening. >> reporter: good evening. leapt me walk you through the specifics or at least what specifics we have so far from this boehner counter offer and you can see where it falls short from the white house's perspective right in the top line take a
. >> they blasted the debt proposal and vowed unless republicans give in on the tax rates, president obama let the nation fall off the fiscal cliff. >> republicans need to acknowledge reality here. rates have to go up. earlier in the presidency, obama warneded it could hurt the economy. >> the nation is no longer in recession. and american manufacturing contracted in november for the first time in three months. the president is concerned enough that he proposed tens of billions in new stimulus spending in the debt talks. >> what is the justification for raising taxes? >> the fact of the matter is that it's vitally important that we extent and the president's view make permanent tax cuts for 98% of the american people. >> the president would like to see it done tomorrow and would sign it right away. >> they will put for ending deduction and closing loopholes. >> republicans move a great deal. who was the first person after the election was the speaker who went down and provided the re-knew. >> they blasted the proposal to limit deductions to tell bloomberg television it's unrealistic. >> that m
clinton. charles crowd hammer says president obama likes those tax rates so much let's let him live with them for everybody. >> what he will say is i wanted to do legislation to exempt the middle class, but the republicans wouldn't give me the bill. he is prepared, megyn, bluntly to sacrifice the interest of the larger whole to win a political fight. when i was working for clinton we did a deal with gingrich. there was never ever a sense that we would put politics ahead of getting a balanced budget. we got it, we won the election and this president is putting politics ahead of everything. megyn: if republicans give president obama the tax rates on the rich what do they have to negotiate with? why would they do it? >> i think president obama has the winning hand. >> he does. >> i'm not sure in the long term -- if there is a recession, either there won't be a recession or there will and the republicans will get the blame. that's and high wire act to do at this point. it's very risky from this kind of elect to take this. he could get 85% of what he wanted -- >> he's also gambling on on
in to obama on the tax rate? >> not exactly. well, yeah, i guess i am. >> sean: you're saying to capitulate to obama? we don't have a revenue problem, ann. >> we lost the election, sean. >> sean: we won the election in the house, ann. the government stays the same. >> but again, it's going to be like in 1994 when oh, yea, republicans won the house was ad the senate and the government shut down. that hurts republicans. it hurt them a lot. >> sean: republicans run on the idea that they're going to be for limited government, less government spending, lower taxes. >> they will be. >> sean: well, if they're going to raise taxes and buy obama's argument and co-op his language, then we're -- >> they're not allowing taxes to be raised on 98% of america. >> sean: you sound like obama. >> no, i don't. i see what the media can do. when the media convinces a majority of americans who voted in november that the economy was george bush's fault, we can't just say give into. >> sean: you're saying give into what the media is saying about you. >> no. but every once in a while to too something that feeds int
to raise either rates or revenues. they were elected as a check and balance against president obama's reckless deficits and his reckless debt. they were elected to stop the explosive growth of government. the republicans were elected and sent to washington to fight for limited government, balanced budgets, and of course, greater liberty for all the american people. at this moment it seems like they are only offering a democratic light version for america. maybe they need to learn a thing or two from president obama. maybe they need to show a willingness to go over the so-called fiscal cliff. now, if the president really wants to take the country there, maybe they need to let him go there. here's the bottom line. what are we hearing from the white house? we're hearing the president will not negotiate unless taxes are raised on job creators, and we're hearing that the president now wants to seize control of the debt ceiling from congress. well, that means rather than needing the approval of the house was the senate to raise the nation's spending limit, president barack obama wants to
acknowledging that rates have to go up for the wealthiest. >> reporter: gop lawmakers don't want higher rates and say the obama administration's proposed cuts to entitlements don't go far enough. >> i think we're going over the cliff. it's pretty clear to me they have made a political calculation. this offer doesn't remotely deal with entitlement reform in a way to save medicare and medicaid and social security from bankruptcy. >> reporter: if a deal is not reached, taxes go up and spending will be clashed. defense contractors are sending the message to lawmakers those cuts would damage the military industry and weaken national security. the ceo of task, a company that develops aviation systems and software for intelligence agencies: >> over 50% of the defense budget is procuring services and services are underscored by jobs. so of course there will be job loss if you have cuts. >> reporter: the cliff hits at the end of the year. but congressional leaders say a compromise needs to be figured out in the next couple of weeks so lawmakers have enough time to debate and pass it. in washington, d
cause. 23% gave president obama an excellent rating, 18% said the same for cuomo and both bloomberg and fema got 14% excellence ratings. cory booker is taking part in what he has labelled as the food stamp challenge. he will only eat what food stamps can provide, $4 a meal. a back and forth twitter exchange about the role in funding school breakfast and lunch programs. finally the kennedy center hohnr honore honorees. actor dustin hoffman, buddy guy and a balance lerina all in attendance in the east room event. >> it's different when you're not the one with the mike, isn't it, dave? you're looking a little stressed. >> led zeppelin. henry mancini and led zeppelin have the kennedy center honoree thing in common. oy. the markets will keep watching the slow going fiscal cliff negotiations today. how will wall street react to the latest maneuvering? to the market rundown. we'll let you know when to pay attention. is that still the case? >> i have to admit 28 days and counting. >> if we're in the same place in two weeks, i'll be nervous. >> the 15th they have to have a deal. >> it's noth
to president obama. congress approval rating has been dreadful but scores low marks on ethics and honesty also. new gallop poll finds members of congress come in second to last among professions beating only car salespeople. car salesman took to twitter today to express displeasure with the poll. 10% said they would give congress a high to very high rating. 34% said average. 54% said very low to low. finally when researching the internet be careful when citing wikipedia. judge in england compiled a 2,000-page report on press ethics in which he warned that inaccuracy in newspapers caused significant concern. he claimed the independent was founded in 19786 by three journalists. he apparently got two names right. the third first appeare appearea wikipedia entry a year ago. far from being founder of the paper, the man's name is the same as a self-described beach bum from california whose only edit was on that page. the error was spotted and scrubbed by wikipedia a few weeks ago, but not in time to spare the judge's error. >>> as we told you earlier, president obama is rejecting a counter offer fro
a quarter of a million a year. if mr. obama and the democrats get their way, doing the deal to avoid raising the rates and avoiding the fiscal cliff, where all tax cuts and brakes expire at the end of the year. that is an election, popular at the end of the year, certainly give president obama a lot of clout right now. you can disagree or agree with the policy. that is for you to decide. republican tom cole of oklahoma happens to disagree strongly. at the same time, he recognizes the political reality that all tax cuts will expire on january one, and no one wants to raise taxes on what would amount to 98% of all the taxpayers. >> in my view, we agree we're not going to raise taxes on people that make more than $250,000, we should just take them out of this discuss right now. continue to fight against any rate increases and continue to fight for a much bigger deal. >> congressman cole joins us, the staunchly conservative editorial page of "the wall street journal is on board now. president obama's re-election means that taxes for upper income earners are going up one way or another. the quest
on this issue of taxes. the white house saying president obama is saying rates should go up on those making $250,000 or more. these are two starting proposals. the white house has put their proposal out last week. it really drew a hard line, calls for $1.6 trillion in new tax revenue, most of that coming from increasing taxes on wealthier americans, but this republican plan very different, does not call for increasing taxes on wealthier americans. president also wants to end congressional oversight of the debt limit. there's no such offer in the republican plan. in fact, some aides have told me that that is a pipe dream. so these two sides still very far apart. now, tonight, martin, the white house will be inviting members of congress here for the holiday party. house speaker john boehner will be here as well. there have been a lot of questions about whether these two will run into each other, whether they will talk about the fiscal cliff. no one is signaling what they might discuss, but house speaker john boehner when asked about tonight's event said that he thinks he might run into the preside
evening, everyone. i'm larry kudlow. this is "the kudlow report." the talks are back on. team obama and team boehner are back at the negotiating table. but there is still substantial disagreement on tax rates, tax revenues, domestic spending and entitlement reform and the clock is ticking. speaking of tax hikes, europe's grand experiment with taxing the rich more is falling apart, especially in france and britain. and here at home, california and new york are passing through the 50% tax rate barrier. is anybody looking at how tax hikes fail the test of economic growth? >>> back here in the u.s., could it be michigan which used to call itself the worker's paradise union state is now moving towards new anti-union right-to-work legislation and it looks like it's going to pass? but first up, budget talks resume between speaker john boehner and president obama today. with just 25 days to go, let's keep tabs on where we stand. reports of a conservative backlash against speaker boehner simply not true. he has the solid support of his leadership and the rank and file. but there is concern a
check. do people agree with the obama administration, this threat of going off the cliff if rates aren't reached. here's what nancy pelosi had to say about geithner's remarks. let me play it. >> if there is no agreement, then the fiscal cliff has to be dealt with. i didn't see it if they decent this, we do that. i saw it as a statement of fact. it's not a threat. it's a prediction. if there's no agreement, we go over the cliff. let's hope we can have an agreement. >> what do you make of the way she put it? it's not a threat. she said, listen, these are the facts. >> nice little economy you have there. nice little economy you have there. it would be a shame it if anything happened to it. that's not a threat. look, we have to start looking at what happens if we do, in fact, go over the so-called cliff, and what happens is, you know, one thing is we take a huge bite out of the deficit. we do it in a crude may, and there would be immediate attempts to fix it and fine-tune it and take some back. some would probably get through. if you actually want to look at it from a policy standpoint, it
. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. >> so is it a bluff when the obama administration says they're willing to go off the cliff if a deal is not reached on rates? >> i don't think it's a bluff. if you look at the reality of what happens, all the leverage which i -- right now clearly the white house has. they get more leverage if we go over their cliff. you can argue that would not send a good message to the country, to the world. it would prove that we are dysfunctional and cannot govern, et cetera, et cetera. in terms of dealing with the policy problem, which is you have this massive and growing debt, you have to bring in more revenues. there's multiple ways to do it, but critical ways to raise rates on the top end. it was what the election was about. republicans want to play the game where they think they get something. at the end of the day they lose worse if we go over the cliff. >> that's an interesting insight because you have alan simpson on the "today" show asked dp one side is a winner or los
that there is no mandate for raising tax rates. >> keeping them honest. president obama campaigned and won on letting taxes go up for the top earners. so his victory throws cold water on that claim. democrats gained seats in the senate and on the house. recent cnn polling shows that mosh than two in three people support tax hikes for the wealthy. it is something that republicans will be grapling with from now until new year's day. joining us is congressman cole, a republican. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> your proposal that republican lawmakers should agree with democrats, extend the tax breaks for those making $250,000 a year or less before the end of the year, deal with these tax rates for the wealthiest later, that's an idea that a lot of republicans are resisting. what kind of push back are you getting? >> i think the reaction is mixed. some support is. some don't. i think the issue is simple. i don't believe in raising tax rates on anybody. i think it's bad for the economy, bad for job creation. ultimately by slowing down growth cuts revenue. i think the president need to come to the tabl
of tax rates for the wealthy. obama insisting they go up, boehner insisting they don't. >> listen, this is not a game. jobs are on the line. the american economy is on the line. this is a moment for adult leadership. >> reporter: and taxes aren't the only sticking point. republicans are demanding the president come forward with a plan to limit spending on medicare and social security, something many democrats say is just not acceptable. >> i didn't have my own card with me. jill wouldn't let me have one. >> reporter: vice president biden got into the act today, too, taking a break from christmas shopping and snacking at costco to urge congress to extend middle class tax cuts. >> i think it's important congress acts now. i mean, right now. >> reporter: can mitt romney, with all his business experience, play a role on brokering a deal? well, don't count on it, diane. the president did not ask for his help today and the two simply agreed to keep in touch. and for now, nothing more. >> all right, thank you, jonathan karl. >>> and now, we move onto two towns that had reason to rejoice
or deduction. increase the revenue. president obama says no i need rates to go up on the rich. now he's saying rates have to go up. they have to go up on the rich. but then we can talk about lower them again next year. we'll chat. we'll have more time then we can discuss the loopholes abductional earn tough deductions to rates. >> we are 400 days away from the first primaries of the 2014 elect cycle. every day we get closer to those primaries the likelihood of a big deal, something large taking place gets less. so the president is saying there, never minds. what he's saying there -- he knows the political reality of this, having suffered the worst mid-term defeat of any president in 60 years. he knows what happens in mid-term elections. what he's saying is give me what i want now and i'll talk about it later but i'll talk about it at a time when it is next to impossible politically for either party to do anything that doesn't absolutely throw their respective bases. megyn: you had a power play piece yesterday that was all about how the president in your view is intent here not so much on winni
in recent days. deputy whip congressman tom cole of oklahoma. he said the gop should agree to obama's proposal to extend bush tax rates for households that make less than $250,000. and they should do that deal right now, deal with the rest later. boehner said no way. and then tom cole said boehner should not offer a counterproposal to the fiscal cliff deal the president presented. boehner offered a proposal yesterday. i asked cole if he's frustrated with john boehner. >> no, not in the least. look, i support the speaker. and we're actually not very far apart on anything. and, you know, at the end of the day, he's going to negotiate a deal. it will probably be a challenging vote for a lot of people. i always support him. i would expect i will again and try and persuade others. just to be clear, i'm not for raising taxes on anybody. i think it's a mistake. i think all republicans believe that. however, you have to recognize the reality that at the end of the month, tax rates for every american that pays income tax are going to go up. so there is an area that we do agree with the presi
in a news conference last month obama suggested he might let the top rate rise to levels somewhat lower than a 39.6%. that's the washington post this morning. below that, governors say the fiscal cliff would hurt their states' economies. several governors met at the white house yesterday and with political leaders to say something needs to be done or their economies and on the state level will be heard. -- be hurt. let's go to walter in new jersey, independent caller. good morning. caller: good morning. i don't know what's wrong with these people, because they have to come to some kind of agreement. the gop has to give ground, taxes wouldybody's go up just to save 2%. it just does not cut it. it is a bad move politically and bad for the country. host: polloi in johnsonville, virginia. -- floyd. caller: i was thinking about the fiscal cliff. i don't think that's the problem at. the problem is when we fell off the moral cliff. our president said gay marriage was ok. and america killing so many babies. side,e get back on god's everything else will take care of itself. that's the way it is. a gu
think we're nowhere, period. >> thursday treasury secretary tim geithner presented obama's plan, including $1.4 trillion in tax increases. >> there's not going to be an agreement without rates going up. >> president obama also proposed a $16 billion of spending cuts. >> i'm just flabbergasted. i looked at him and said you can't be serious. >> the house speaker says republicans put increased revenues including efforts to close tax loopholes and put the tax cuts on the table instead of raising tax rates for anyone. >> if there's another way to get income from upper income americans that doesn't hurt our economy, then why wouldn't we consider it. >> those are publicly unchanged deadlines. whether political theater or political reality, there's more to going over the fiscal cliff far beyond hypothetical. >> i think we're going over the clif. >> if they are going to force higher rates on virtually all americans because they're unwilling to let tax rates go up on 2% of americans, then that's the choice we have to make. >> emily joins us live from washington and so ellie, did anyone on
. >> that's the special beer that you would drink to get you to dance the gangnam style. president obama and john boehner did the gangnam style, your approval ratings might go up. "outfront" tonight, tom mcclintock of the budget committee. thank you for taking the time. we just showed a lot of your colleagues going home on a wednesday night after working a three-day week. obviously, that's an image that frustrates so many americans. why are people going home before getting this done? >> well, unfortunately, we're not using the standard process where the house passes its version, the is that the passes its version, then a conference committee is very good in revolving impasses like this between the two houses. unfortunately, none of that's being used and i think that's one of the reasons why these things are blocking down now so regularly. we've abandoned a process that works very well when we use it. >> john boehner presented a plan to the president and in that plan, he put $800 billion in revenue from the wealthy on the table. he said he would close loopholes and those people would pay
rates on the top 2%. president obama has been very clear, he was all the way through the campaign that he would not give in on that. so that's i think what's important now. republicans don't like a lot of what was in the white house's opening offer. they dictate the $50 billion stimulus that was in the offer as a slap in the face. some of these little things we'll see taken out of file deal. >> to that point here's john boehner talking about when he saw that opening offer. >> i was flabbergasted. i looked at him and said you can't be serious. i just never seen anything like it. you know, we got seven weeks between election day and the end the year. and three of those weeks have been wasted with this nonsense. >> okay. >> it's clear he's not pleased from his ha. is the president in danger of going too far? >> no. i think that everyone is amazed that president obama is pursuing an absolutely normal approach to negotiation. people over the last two years got so accustomed to his strategy of almost preemptive concession, you know, you don't like this, i'll give you more. i'll give you
more than a quarter million dollars a year. mr. obama and the democrats get their way, doing a deal to raise just those rates would avoid the fiscal cliff, where all bush era tax cuts on all tack tax brackets expire at the ends of the year. the election, popular opinion and more give president obama a lot of clout right now. and you can agree or disagree with the president's policy. that's for you to decide. republican congressmen tom cole of oklahoma disagrees stronsly. at the same time, he recognizes the political reality that all tax cuts will expire on january 1st and no one wants to raise taxes on what would amount to 98% of all taxpayers. >> in my view, we all agree that we're not going to raise taxes on people that make less than $250,000. we should just take them out of discussion right now. continue to fight against any rate increases, continue to try to work honestly for a much bigger deal. >> congressman cole joins us shortly. a rock rib conservative. chair of the national republican congressional committee, and he's no longer a lone voice in the wilderness. the staunchly
not raise tax rates. now republicans are pointing back to july 2011. this statement by president obama. >> yes, said give us $1.# trillion in additional revenues that could be accomplished without hiking tax rates, but could simply be accomplished by eliminating loopholes. eliminating deductions. and engaging in a tax reform process that could lowered rates generally while broadening the base. >> bret: the white house is saying it's out of context but not specifically how out of context. bring in the panel. steve hayes for "weekly standard." kirsten powers for daily beast. syndicated columnist, charles krauthammer. charles? >> look, i love when the president says we need conceptual break through. meaning the republicans have to accept a hike in rates. what he means is a political surrender. because there is no economic reason why you cannot raise the money he wants raised. by doing it through eliminating deductions, inclusions and credit. number one as we saw he, himself, said so. a year-and-a-half ago. secondly, the same debt reduction commission he appointed and then ignored. spoke a
there was no breakthrough on that central point of tax rates. as you know, president obama insists there is no deal unless the gop agrees to raise rates on the top 2% of earners. the gop says that's a nonstarter and the two men have not moved from that basic position. now, all of this quomz comes at the same time treasury secretary geithner also said for the first time the administration would be willing to go over the fiscal cliff if the gop does not agree to raise those rates. this was treasury secretary geithner earlier today on cnbc. >> is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. all americans get a tax cut on the first $250,000 of their income. so, in some sense it's a tax cut for all americans. >> reporter: bottom line, anderson, we're talking today but still at stalemate. >> yeah, i mean, it's a sign, jessica and dana, of just how lack -- how little progress there's been that a phone call is big news between these two. dana, we're hearing hints of some mo
lack of business integrity." tomorrow, president obama will send his top negotiators to meet tith congressional leaders. they have only weeks now to head off a big tax increase for most americans. the income tax rates will jump automatically january 1. it will be such a shock to the system that it has been called the fiscal cliff. our coverage starts on the white house lawn tonight with major garrett. major. >> reporter: scott, the saesident said for the first time, there is a two-step process to averting the fiscal cliff. republicans must act now to prevent a tax increase for households earning less than $250,000. do that now, president obama said, and he and congress can work out the details of spending cuts later. ( applause ) before a crowd of supporters, the white house invited from the mid-atlantic region, president obama put congressional republicans on notice. >> it's too important for washington to screw this up. now is the time for us to work on what we all agreed to, which is lets keep middle class taxes low. that's what our economy needs. that's what the american peopl
with raising rates as long as it's part of that package we described. >> a meeting or a phone call between john boehner and president obama, is that at all in the works? >> as far as we know, no. whether it's in the works, we could only hope, at this point we do not have any indication that it is scheduled right now. never mind the principles, we don't have any word that there has been communications between their staff at all. what's flying out of the public still appears to be flying out of private, which is not a lot. >> the members are going home for a nice long weekend. thanks very much for that. president obama isn't negotiating like we just heard. he's negotiating to raise the tax rates on the rich as a downpayment on a larger deal to come later as far as taxes are concerned and medicare is concerned. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top two percent, that includes all of you, yes. but not in anyway that's going to affect your spending, your lifestyles or the economy in any significant way. let's make sure that 98% of americans don't see a single dime in tax increases next yea
they should join president obama to extend the tax rates for the highest income earners the law professor john buckley looks at the history of the tax, plus your e-mails, phone calls, and tweets. in a few moments, a forum on energy security. in a little less than an hour and a half, 20 years since russia and the u.s. agreed to secure and nuclear weapons in the former soviet states, and a look at proposals but could be negotiations over the fiscal cliff. >> we are at the new york state museum. this is dedicated to the history of september 11 and the attacks at the world trade center. we have established the gallery to tell the story of the first moments of the attack using photographs from the world trade center site. there is a piece of steel. we put it in a place where the public can come and touch it. it gives a tangible experience. this is a piece of steel from the north towers. this is a dramatically bent piece of steel. this is within 10 floors of the impact, and you can see the openings with this piece of metal strips that would have held aluminum. every piece of steel marks which side o
. the president yesterday on the fiscal cliff. >> obama: let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2% that includes all of you guests but not in anyway that is going to affect your spending, your lifestyles or the economy in any significant way. let's make sure that 98% of americans don't see a single dime in tax increases next year. 97% of small businesses don't see a single dime of tax increases next year and by doing that alone we raise almost a trillion dollars. [♪ "world news tonight" theme ♪] >> stephanie: associated press says the white house is signalling president obama is willing to let the country go over the cliff. this is a choice of the republican party if they are willing to do higher rates on the country, there is a lot to talk about, if they are not, they will push us over the cliff. tim geithner said there is no prospect in an agreement that doesn't include the tax rate going up on the top 2% of americans. he said we are not prepared to have the american economy held hostage to periodic threats. >> there you go. >> stephanie: and he point
to draft such a plan to compromise on a tax rate above 35% but below 39.2% unless the white house agreed to a tax revenue target well below the $1.6 trillion obama has demanded over the next decade. hello. open door anybody? that door on rates is clearly not entirely shut on the republican side nor on the president's side. "the post" lays out a scenario in which the house could adopt two competing bills, one extending the bush rates for everyone including the wealthy. the other extending the bush rates just for those making less than $250,000 a year. it gives republicans the opportunity to vote on both bills. both bills would then go to the senate. which would just pass the middle class tax cut bill or the house would end up passing what the senate already passed and that other bill just goes to die. so with it looking less and less likely washington will go over the cliff, that's gone. here are the real questions now. one, how big a deal will the parties make before the end of the year? two, have republicans stumbled into what could be political leverage at least in the short term? if a
that issue. with the deal that involves raising tax rates president obama is ready over the cliff. joining as well, congresswoman martian blackwell. if given a choice would you take no deal of fall and over the cliff or you take a deal that includes higher tax rates on the rich? >> to raise tax rates on anybody is the wrong step. what we have said for a long time is cut the spending. look at revenue. stuart: i have today on this. would you absolutely positively say no, i will not vote for raising tax rates on the rich. i would rather go over the fiscal cliff. >> i don't want to go over the fiscal cliff, but i am not for raising the tax rates. you are not getting to the heart of the problem. it is continuing to sweep of the rock. stuart: you may come to a point where that is the twisted your facing. if he don't say yes on raising tax rates we will go over the cliff. when the going to do if push comes to shove at the very end of this month. >> and what we're trying to do them all we have been trying to do for years is to not come to this point. had we been addressing the need for a pro-growt
.5% or so top rate that president obama wants to return to which we paid under clinton is very, very popular. republicans should ought not fall on that sword. the democrats are ed e ready to endorse 98% of the hated bush tax cuts. i would call that a win and toss the other 2% overboard. >> there's also a lot of talk here in washington, has been for a couple weeks about false confidence. the false confidence that happened at the end of the election there. the mitt romney people pretty much told a lot of us they were confident it was going to be a long night and that they would win. i want to read you something from the new republic about team romney's internal polling. says the biggest flaw in their polling was the failure to predict the demographic composition of the electorate. the people who showed up to vote on november 6 were younger and less white than team romney anticipated and far more democratic as a result. so i want to ask you, erick, is this sort of a misunderstanding generally that republicans have to address the next time they go into an election about who the voters are going
that. this is why president obama extend the tax rates for a year action because he said this could hurt the economy. here we are again. we're not anywhere different than we were last year really. >> gregg: donna, dick durbin, the senate's number two democrat, said that social security is off the table because i'm going to quote him here -- it does not add a penny to our deficit. that's ludicrus. >> i think that i'm unable to comment because i think the context may have something to do with the sense of lock box and where this money actually comes from and where it sits in the meanwhile before it gets spent. but i also think it's awfully important to remember that in terms of republican cooperation, the president really has been i think very sincere about seeking that cooperation and initially speaker boehner i think expressed with great sincerity his interest in cooperation. i dare say that there has been a lot of biplay among both the senators and the house members on what that cooperation is going to look like. but i do think it's awfully important that we not come out of this pr
deductions so the rich pay more anyway. it is looking more like obama is going to get both. he wants rates to go about not 39.6, and he wants to do something on deductions. he wants to go twice a year. what do you think? >> he wants a mix of things and what republicans will see as a compromise is keeping rates going not as high as originally thought, not quite 40% but keeping them lower and including some of those deductions but if obama got everything he wanted that would be $72,000 average on the top 1% households. dennis: senator harry reid said two days ago let's raise tax rates on the rich and that way we have gone without solving fiscal problems. that will raise $80 billion meaning only $1 trillion more to cut or find new revenue. this has not been discussed at all. what do you think? >> exactly right. to do serious long-term debt and deficit reduction you have to do entitlement reform. what this president is feeling is the popular sensibility is polls show the majority of americans don't even want to raise the age on medicare from 65 to 67 and they are using that so they don't have
obama was president -- she pays a lower rate than she did for the past 60 years. guest: in terms of the retroactive application --there is a possibility we could come back in january and say we will reinstate those tax rates for everybody except those people making more than $250,000. host: we have about 30 seconds. the likelihood these credits will be reduced. guest: it will be a crapshoot. host: steven sloan from politico. thank you. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2012] >> tomorrow, robert van order looks at the mortgage loan forgiveness. then bradford fitch discuss this orientation session for congress. members- elect in congress. after that, a member of the autistic self advocacy network on being an adult with autism, and the federal role supporting autistic adults and children. washington journal, live saturday at 7:00 a.m. eastern, on c-span. coming up, we will hear about the syrian civil war from a spokesman with the national coalition for a position, followed by a look at how the white house and c
of letting tax rates for those at the top -- the lower tax rates expire for those at the top, there is a mandate. polling has been consistent for years, and we saw in the exit poll. 60% of voters overall, and more importantly, 80% of obama voters is more unified democratic coalition support letting the tax rates expire. that's why i think you see democrats -- that's why you see democrats being much more adamant on that, certainly than they were in 2010. look, i think the country wants a zeal, and like ryan, i think we're going to get a deal. at some point in the next six months, we're going to end up with a tax rate for those at the top that is higher than it is now, but lower than it was under bill clinton. it's going to be messy getting there, but a higher rate for those at the top seems to be an inevitable outcome of this. >> speaking of messy, the progressives love to get on the bandwagon on that one issue. what are they going to do when the president starts moving against entitlements? >> well, you know, what's interesting on that, republicans gambled and lost, i think i
and egypt as we take it up with the a-team. the so-called fiscal cliff is really all about the obama ultimate may tum. >> i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rates from going up for folks at the top 2%. lou: president's ultimatum and his insistence on higher taxes may take us over the cliff. chris and steven next. the next scott walker? michigan's republican governor ready to do political battle with organized labor in his state. what about a right to work law? straight ahead. the boys use capital one venture miles for thr annual football trip. that's double miles you can actually use. tragically, their ddy got sacked by blackouts. but it's our tradition! that's roughing the card holder. buwith the capital one venture card you get double miles you can actually use. [ cheering ] any flight, anytime. the scoreboard doesn't lie. what's in your wallet? hut! i have me on my fantasy team. if you're a man with low testosterone, you should know that axiron is here. the only underarm treatment for low t. that's right, the one you apply to the underarm. axiron is no
the sequestration hanging over our heads. >> they constantly create a situation, try to blame obama. >> bill: kevin, do you think we dare say look, hold the line and if you don't raise rates on the top 2%, we're not going to make a deal? >> absolutely. hold the line. i'll gladly pay more taxes than to have some rich son of a bitch pay more. >> bill: you and me both. that's all right. i'm willing to do it. i am a patriotic millionaire. i ought to -- i should join the club. thanks, kevin for the call. >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." which was just as you say -- maybe it was starve the beast. i'll look it up during the break. going to do the young turks. i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they know that i'm not bs'ing them with some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know that i'm going to be the first one to call them out. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of
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